She'll ( and I'll help) pay any fine, I just am worried about her US driving record. Red Light Cameras, Traffic Cameras, Speed Camera, Camera Removed (Search & Review) Locations Current Locations On Map (Add / Update) Click + To Add Or Updaed Location. Avoiding and Detecting Red Light Cameras and Speed Cameras. What you probably read about is the implied traffic law when you see a sign like this. They don't capture your speed in a single flash. Mari, this will have NO bearing on her "record". Fairly sure I was doing 35-37mph (I know the spedo is bang on accurate upto about 60) through a camera first thing this morning. Question: Do the new type of Gatso digital speed cameras (as pictured right) only take pictures from the rear? No. And yeah... never visiting Germany again because of one traffic ticket that's only going to cost a few euro? That's because forward-facing Truvelo cameras have a … Identify that speed camera here I'll help her pay it, because she was driving safely literally out in the middle of nowhere near nothing and she was slowing down from 90 to 70 as soon as she saw the sign. Be aware (be very aware) that cameras do not switch off at quiet times just because any temporary limits have been suspended. If it was specs or truvelo you could still be knackered. If driving on the other side facing the camera can they still take photos also are the white grid lines required as the road has been resurfaced and lines not replaced this is the first camera as you come in from Southborough A26 can you please advise, many thanks. There has not been much reported here about traffic tickets from Germany. The reason for this is that the speed cameras 'flash' will not blind oncoming motorists. If you don't know this, there may not be a speed limit sign, but there can still be a camera. I checked the spedo against a GPS to be on the safe side a few months back, the car's 30 years old so presumably someones calibrated it properly rather than relying on BL to have done it properly in the 70's! With it being a rental I can't guestimate how long it will be. Fixed speed cameras are the easiest to spot, since they are almost always mounted on elevated poles on the side of the road. (Accuracy) Entries Must Be Complete With Link to News Article or Google Maps. So on a 30 mph road, a camera wouldn’t normally activate unless a car drove past at 35 mph or above. 3. b. get near one of these fixed radar units. This is her first time driving in Europe. In Germany, especially in many of the small towns, if you're over the posted limit, you're over......some say there's a 5km grace, but I disagree. I had to go on a speeding workshop the other month and IIRC the guy told us that of the 40something cameras in the North East (Northumbria Police area I guess) only something like 12 are operational at any one time. Did you know that the Nazi-era Road Traffic Act of 28 May 1934 imposed the first nation-wide speed limit: 60 km/h maximum in urban areas, but no limit on rural highways or autobahns?They then lowered them in 1939 to save fuel (40 km/h urban, 80 km/h rural). If you say you're calling only to ask a general question and don't give your own membership number or name, they might give you an answer that would put your mind at ease but it wouldn't connect back to your account. The 1,000-plus speed cameras are located all over the country so chances are, there will be at least one on your daily commute. … I just tried to find what I had read, but it eludes me now. It was rainy and darkish, but only like 8 pm so not dark. I thought the margin of error was 10% + zero mph. I know my housemate had an awareness course the other week so hopefully it'll be that if it does come through. I’m not saying that it is impossible but in my eight years of living here I have not had a traffic violation reported. California doesn't even know I had a smack-up in South Carolina. take to arrive in the States or is it sent to the rental car company? That was my big concern for her. A lot of cars seem to under read at 30mph, and then over read as you approach 60mph. 2. I mean, would getting caught in a speed trap at home cause one to want to pick up house and home and move? I recall reading something a while ago that said drivers in Germany are expected to know even the subtle rules of the road, including speed zones and limits, some of which are not always clearly signed. Contact UsPrivacyForum RulesPremier ClubClassifieds RulesLink RemovalLogin/cookie issues?Newsletter Settings, Viewing 12 posts - 1 through 12 (of 12 total), Premier Partners for Singletrack issues & exclusive subscriber perks, Metcheck MTB Weather Forecasts At A Glance, Singletrack Wisecracker Headset Spacer Bottle Opener, Stolen! I'm not 100% certain but I'd wager that there'll be no impact on her US record. Speed can kill. There are two types of speed cameras: fixed and mobile. And before I get flamed the road in question was about 30m between a roundabout where I pulled out from a side road and a 40 limit, and it wasn't untill I passed the camera that it occured to me that the sign reads 30 in the other direction . Or does the flash only go off at night? We’ve got your go-to guide on what they do and how they all work. Thanks! There was a bend in the road and the speedlimit went abruptly from 90 km to 70 km and she was down to 82 km when I saw a big red flash from a small, low box along the road. Treat speed cameras as if they are always on. The new ones (the thin ones on tall posts) don’t even have film in them. Also, will it appear on her US driving record, which is pristine? Speed cameras on motorways and A-roads across the UK. Maybe the rental car company will be alerted first and then notify us? Speeding increases the severity of injuries in a crash and may increase the likelihood of a crash occurring. They carry temporary speed limit signs on gantries suspended above the road and these also have speed cameras to identify drivers exceeding these speeds. And not knowing exactly what the rules are when it comes to speed cameras can make the situation even more worrying. That's a bit dramatic... Mari; 1. Don't know what the Germans are doing. 15Euro fine from a mobil camera car. The speed cameras are always behind (at least) the second speed limit sign. She is an exceptional driver. Wikipedia has an interesting entry on German speed limits and their history. It has no bearing on your US driving record, although you are correct in that it should be paid and not forgotten about or dismissed. And legally they can only over read by up to 10%. Due to some strange disconnect or possibly just people not wanting to make the effort, your traffic fines in Germany don’t make it to your insurance. Depends. I have never had my insurance canceled or raised. Also other posts said three months to receive the ticket, so I'm a little confused about the longer time period. Impressed if your speedo is that accurate tho. This (assumed) ticket is just another 'incidental'. I got a ticket last year going 13km in a 10km zone. The topic ‘Do speed cameras always "flash"’ is closed to new replies. These cameras are easy to spot due to their bulky weatherproof enclosures and external flashes (often mounted on a … Full Member. I've found that most cars are about 10% under at the speedo, based on GPS. PARIS — The reputation of the French as being rude is completely unfounded, at least when it comes to speed cameras. We were in a country setting - no towns nearby. Nor have I heard it happen to anyone else. Sometimes they just issue you a ticket without you actually breaking the law. Because they’re front-facing, the camera will capture the driver’s face. So don't assume that if its bang on at 60mph, its also bang on at 30mph. They would cut down on a lot of driving nonsense, accidents, insurance premiums, and of course injuries. Not if you are in an area where people tend to drive like twunts. Low Tech (passive option) The majority of red light & speed cameras utilize a strong flash to photograph the license plate on your Porsche. That's why manufacturers always make them over read. I agree with above replies that it's unlikely that would happen. On November 4 th, 2017, both the BBC and the Guardian detailed how The Press Association (PA) sent freedom of information requests to all 45 territorial police forces and their speed camera partners, asking how many of their speed cameras were active. The other types of speed camera don’t flash at all, so it depends which one you passed. You can normally see the flash, even during the day, GATSO cameras are set for about 5 - 8 mph above the speed limit, this is to allow for error on your speedo. Well, do your best to look at it like that, anyway ;-). While fatal crashes can occur at any speed, the risk of a pedestrian being killed sharply increases when the speed of the car at the time of the crash is 30 mph or higher. But personally, I would rather just get a ticket in the mail then get pulled over by the Polizei. Buy a good little GPS, load it with EU maps and go back and enjoy the EU. Do speed cameras always "flash" thisisnotaspoon. My GPS gives a me an audible and visual alarm when; a. I exceed the speed limit Speed camera by InvisibleProperty is licensed under CC-BY 2.0 A front-facing camera that uses sensors in the road to determine the speed of a car. As another example the UK tends to set cameras at the speed limit plus 10% plus 3 mph - your sister would have triggered that by a small margin. ( Alpine ) Just wondering about speed camera these days (those in white Landcruiser 4WDs) - in the old days there used to be a blue box outside of the 4WD which is the bright flash. How long will the ticket (I'm assuming there will be a ticket, right?) Many states/insurance companies throw out speeding tickets ( Minor infractions) after three years; i.e. Come on, you are driving in a strange country; you should not be worried when something minor happens. It's a bit of an exaggerated comparison, admittedly, but the logic is similar. They would probably be content to only collect the fine and be done with it. I understand some US states have an absolute limit where 1 mph over would be enough for a ticket on a bad day. For 12 km over the speed limit, the fine isn't going to be much. I seem to recall some people being on that speeding course for doing 35mph in a 30, so it mustn't be 10% + 3mph. I know of the locations of all the cameras on my normal driving routes, so I try to be careful... but rarely, I still get hit when diriving in a new area. It takes nearly a year for the ticket to show up so by then, all of the extra penalties for non-payment are kicking in. She was slowing down as soon as she saw the speed reduction she just hadn't gotten down to 70 from 90 yet - she was at 82. It's only a traffic ticket; it was not an accident where life or property was at risk. Here’s which cameras are most likely to catch you. The biggest discussion is about the Italians. Best drive with your keys on the shock turret, locked under the bonnet to prove you had no intention of speeding . On the B13 north of Munich (four lanes separated by a strip of scrubs in the middle, like a motorway) they … These days all I can see is the 4WD and a sign that says "speed camera in use" but haven't noticed that same blue box situated outside the vehicle. Because your sister received a ticket for speeding? How you are billed depends on the rental company's policies. 3. Thanks! Of course the obvious answer is not to speed… Gatso speed cameras are always rear facing. This has been a lesson learned and we've both decided to never drive in Germany again. Gatso cameras flash twice. After all, you might have been thinking about speeding. However, all payments or adjudications services, if the ticket is contested, are handled by the DC DMV. This is so people don't slow down just before they see a camera and then speed up again afterwards. In a built up area it's at least €80. They know now, Russ... they know now ;-) Mari, your sister will stay pristine, or as my French-speaking Swiss friends would say, your sister will remain a 'virgin'. The former solution would be easier for someone who lives in the US, because the latter would involve making a bank transfer. I read the other posts, but can't remember if any one mentioned - in addition to warning you it may take 3-9 months to even receive a ticket - the charges may come in dribbles: first, the credit card company charges you $25 (or whatever) for a 'research fee', then a month later the actual ticket may arrive, then some other little charge ('processing fee') will appear on your card... Look at it this way - a European vacation is full of little incidentals (buying guidebooks, paying too much for a plate of so-so pasta, buying a reservation on top of your train pass/ticket, buying a bus/metro pass then not getting your money's worth from it). If you're an Auto Club member, why not try calling the 'Member Services' line to ask if they know? I told her someone on the forum likely knows the answer. they don't count against you. If you are exceeding the speed limit by more than 20kph outside a built up area you will be fined at least €70 plus you will get at least one point on your licence. Thanks again. " In D.C., speed is a factor in over half (59 percent) of fatal crashes, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.Speed cameras are effective at reducin… Truvelo D-Cam speed cameras. It should no impact on US driving record as that type of information is not shared. If you’ve travelled through an average speed camera zone then you will have been recorded by it. This is an important point, because Gatso speed cameras DO NOT require road markings for the speeding ticket to be enforceable. NUMBER-plate recognition cameras rake in millions from a range of offences motorists are committing on the roads in Britain. It will be a long time if ever that either of us will want to visit Germany again. " I truly wish radar traps were widespread in this country. Didn't save me from seeing the big red flash last Sunday, though. Instead, they'll monitor your speed over a length of road. When you live in America and shop for car insurance that is one of the first things they tend to ask. The cameras have been in use in Europe since the early 1980s. My sister and I were driving through Germany and were traveling on B51 between cologne and Luxembourg. 36 forces responded, detailing that out of the total 2,838 cameras, 1,486 were active. She'd just like to pay it and be done but since we were near no cities that we saw, we'd have no idea who to call. Truvelo's latest offering arrived in 2013. I am an example of that: I average one minor infraction every four years. And the instructions on the ticket, of course, will be in German. Then again my housemates drive like twunts so if I get points and they dont I'll be peeved off. While other European countries — and American cities — love to hide revenue-churning speed cameras in the sneakiest locations, the French are polite enough to install signs that warn drivers of impending cameras. Of the 33 that responded 25 shared information on when their speed cameras activate if a driver is going above the speed limit. Those speed cameras are just a fact of life in Germany... and in Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. Ps - I may be an exception, but I believe in doing the right thing because it's the right thing and not because a camera is watching you - which I think is just a tiny bit "1984ish" anyway. It may take some time to come. The fines and number of points increase with the speed… Mine (Ford Focus) is usually under by around 10% when compared to sat-nav. However, this also means that the speed camera may not be visible until the last second (as pictured right - Gatso sited behind road traffic sign). I know of the locations of all the cameras on my normal driving routes, so I try to be careful... but rarely, I still get hit when diriving in a new area. But don’t stress. There is so much to see and do! "Don't worry; be happy!". Anyone else think Berkshire Police are a bit camera happy? The big concern was that it would be on her currently completely clean American driving record, so I'm glad and relieved that it won't. It is a legal requirement to have a secondary measurement for speed. Most police forces have a tolerance of 10% plus 2 mph above the limit before a speed camera ‘flashes’. The real concern is whether the ticket would result in points against her license and be reported to her insurance company. Gowaan Gal Martha Gill’s Marin Bikes, New Pivot Trail 429 – Now with added flip chip, This topic has 11 replies, 9 voices, and was last updated. You could also call the rental company to see if it's come to them yet. By the way the car was rented in Holland. There are no laws about visibility, so … "I recall reading something a while ago that said drivers in Germany are expected to know even the subtle rules of the road, including speed zones and limits, some of which are not always clearly signed." "California doesn't even know I had a smack-up in South Carolina." It's such a shame when people have one unfortunate experience during a trip and that's the strong memory they bring home with them and it causes them to not want to return. Additionally, an officer from the Department may pull you over and issue you a speeding infraction. You could call the 'Rathaus' or local city hall in the town you were in to find out the status. Is 12km over a huge deal in Germany? As to whether it would be a 'huge deal' it would be broadly equivalent to doing 53 mph in a 45 mph zone. Does anyone else have an idea? Any helpful comments about any impact on her US driving record would be much appreciated. Most speed cameras flash when they capture an image, but you might not see the flash of a Truvelo forward-facing camera. They use computers to recognize the registration number and send the fine off automatically (it could be in the post before you get home) The two most common options for avoiding road enforcement cameras are on opposite ends of the technology spectrum. Anyone else think Berkshire Police are a bit camera happy? With speed camera locations dotted all over the UK, it’s tricky to keep track. It's illegal for a vehicle speedo to under read. The speed camera van in action (Image: Ian Cooper/North Wales Live) Do speed vans have to be visible at all times? This topic has been automatically closed due to a period of inactivity. Then, in December 1952 the West German legislature voted … Average speed cameras don’t require a flash to record a vehicle or capture its numberplate. They may bill your credit card, or they may send you the ticket. Just because there aren’t any notifications displayed on smart gantries, doesn’t mean you should fly through them at 80mph. I have friends here with a German address who've gotten one 6-12 months later. Assuming it was rear-facing camera with white flash you're fine. The Metropolitan Police Department deploys any speed cameras through which someone would receive a speed camera citation. “Speed cameras are proven to reduce speeding, and can catch far higher numbers of speeding drivers than traffic police with mobile cameras." The speedlimit postings aren't the best. Fairly sure I was doing 35-37mph (I know the spedo is bang on accurate upto about 60) through a camera first thing this morning. Speed Camera Enforcment. Dunno about the flash, but always thought the margin of error was 10% + 2mph, not 3mph. If ignored, it appears that the Italians are using US based collection agencies to go after the fines. One little speeding ticket and now Germany is "Verboten"? Thanks for any advice. Those speed cameras are just a fact of life in Germany... and in Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. If you have a different experience, pl… Indicated 30 could really be 32 or 33mph rather than the other way round. Besides announcing the name of the town you just entered, it signals that the speed limit has changed to 50 km/hr, unless otherwise noted. Hello! It will be a long time if ever that either of us will want to visit Germany again. Likely less than €30. To get from the GFs house (Wokingham) to Reading town center is probably 6 miles, yet has enough cameas to invalidate my licence twice over and still have points to spare! 4. These cameras don’t flash, so you might not notice if you’ve been caught. She's never ever received a speeding ticket and definitely not in a rental car oversees. And the instructions on the ticket, of course, will be in German. ©2021 Rick Steves' Europe, Inc. | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy. What Bob said. 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